The nearest planet or moon where humans could live in an even remotely self-sustainable way is so far away that even if we could travel near the speed of light, it would still be well out of our reach. And the closest we have come to actually visualizing another planet where humans can survive, is the red planet Mars. (**) Not so much on sea voyages. There are other hard things we could consider doing, such as eliminating carbon emissions are establishing peace in the Middle East. 5 Reasons Going To Mars is a TERRIBLE Idea. Whether it's a few hundred people surviving a nuclear winter, or a few hundred people surviving the perpetual Martian winter, none of those people are likely to be me or anybody I care about. Basically, Mars is a giant toxic waste dump. (Gotta love the passive voice. So are many metals (at practical Venusian concentrations, most metals are probably fine, even steels). They would carry with them their earthly microbes. | Answers With Joe, Literally Just 2 Minutes Of Me Clearing My Throat, Get A Dog They Said. If you stand on the moon such that the sun is directly over your head, it won't be directly over your head again for 29 earth days. There are people willing to go there even if they won't survive very long. And a few people leaving doesn't change the motivation or desire of those that are staying to take care of the environment. Your email address will not be published. Or grow plants or whatever else. On Mars, the atmosphere is thick enough to burn you up on entry, but thin enough to make landing with a parachute extremely tricky. To shoot people toward Mars before those problems have been solved would be irresponsible. You crawl before you walk, you walk before you run. Dreams of terraforming aside, in the short term (read: next few centuries at least) man will only be able to live on Mars if encapsulated in climate-controlled metal-tubes. One goal of an offworld colony is a break from lots of the crap here on Earth. Everest has been done to death. It's suicide. Well, it has a little bit more than space, it has gravity, which seems to be important for various life process (of both man and plants). That’s why smaller rovers like Spirit and Opportunity used bizarre airbag systems to land and Curiosity, which was much heavier, had to use a combination of parachutes, thrusters, and a cable system to get there safely. You just trudge through the world's longest, most horrible amusement park lineup for your moment at the top. There is another whole world out there, more interesting and more exciting than getting a good return on your investments, and extracting every last possible second out of life. Given the difficulties of getting to Mars, the fact that Mars is barely any more suited to habitation than space and the fact that trips to and from Mars need to deal with the planet's gravity well... why do we assume that the first off-Earth permanent habitation would necessarily need to be on Mars, or indeed on any other planet? Untouched for decades. To everyone with the "We HAVE to leave earth or we're doomed!" Issue number one: Radiation. Wow, getting to Mars will be tough! In any case near the poles you could put up panels that would swivel and get sun all month long. I think we should try to have an unmanned mission return to earth from Mars before we attempt to have a manned mission go to Mars. Even that is wrong. Changing the title for the Slashdot article to "Let's Not Go To Mars" implies that the author is suggesting we don't even try to land a person on Mars which is not really the point of the original article. I'll try and stop them from using my money. 10 Good Reasons Not to Colonize Mars Robert Walker , Science 2.0 August 15, 2013 Mars is a fascinating planet, the most like Earth of all the planets in the solar system, and may help us to understand much about the origins of life on Earth. One way to do that is to have the probes float up even higher than the base on return from a surface trip, into even faster winds. And safety culture is doing it's best to stamp that shit out. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Google+ (Opens in new window). An average 150-pound person on Earth would weigh only 57 pounds on Mars. With what kind of (heavy) machinery would the water and soil be extracted? This is why Mars landings often include rockets firing toward the ground – so-called retro-rockets -- that help slow down the descent. ==============. Because if life could form twice in one solar system, the potential for life in other solar systems, and intelligent life, becomes very significant. Actually, Venus's atmosphere has almost as much water vapor as Earth's atmosphere - it's just mixed in with a *lot* of other stuff, mainly CO2, which is why the percentage is so low. They would have their own challenges; dealing with radiation and with the effects of zero-gravity on the human body in the longer term, but those don't instinctively feel as difficult as some of the problems highlighted in TFA. These systems can take decades to refine to the point where you can rely on them being dependable enough for the long periods of time involved in a Mars mission to have peoples' lives hinge upon them. And about the argument that it will be great for technological breakthroughs. It's not as glamorous because we've been there before, but it gets us into technology development. That's the idea of the entomopter. If you want to 'colonize Mars' it would make FAR more sense to colonize Antarctica, or the deep ocean, both of which are infinitely more hospitable and closer. The Red Planet is a cold, dead place, with an atmosphere about 100 times thinner than Earth’s. Otherwise, most of Regis' other arguments are bunk. As for your ideas on reasons to go or not go, I heartily concur. And that's when the system's not trying to kill you - they've had corrosive chemical leaks, near-fire situations, etc. And if people are going to be stuck in metal tubes anyway, it might as well be tubes that can MOVE places instead of being anchored to rock at the bottom of a steep gravity well. We've had the technology to launch - and land - men there since the '70s. 2 Months for $8. Instead I'd point out that all safety critical systems are engineered around the notion of redundancy. Mars is the closest thing we have to Earth in the entire solar system, and that’s not saying much. Take smaller steps. Excellent article and worthy of discussion and serious thought. So, maybe we mostly agree at some level, but I think your 10 years, even for an insanely useless project, is highly optimistic. He's not saying we should never go. November 09, 2017. Mars dust is probably easier to deal with. Who cares if mankind continues if 99.999% are wiped out by something? What really cemented my belief that going to Mars is impossible with current technology is this article [nasa.gov]. Since it's a metaphysical certitude that Elon Musk doesn't vote Republican or belong to the Tea Party, your comment pushes the bounds of stupidity. And there is no turn around option like with the Apollo missions. Compared to Mars, life there will be paradise. From that perspective, going to Mars could be a great boost - if we decide not to send humans but restrict ourselves to probes. Mars is dead. The Moon has wild variations in temperature depending on if you are in sunlight or shade - and the night lasts 2 weeks. I mean, what are you going to do once you get there that can't be done here on Earth? There's a lot of potential for precipitating out exotic compounds in the high pressure / high temperature environment, the Venera probes found some types of lava flows often associated with rare mineral deposits, and there's good evidence to suggest large carbonatite flows which are often associated with even rarer deposits. with individual stays lasting longer than the trip time to Mars. People have suffered far worse; the early antarctic explorers, or sailors from the Age of Sail. Going to Mars is a SERIOUS topic. Low gravity you can't increase, almost nonexistent atmosphere by earth standards, where it's warm enough to walk outside there is no water, where there's water it's lethally cold, an. Trouble is, a lot of us grew up with the im. I'm with you. Then we could relatively cheaply get a spaceship up there. It’s a problem we’ve never dealt with before, and it’s going to be a huge challenge to overcome. After all, one needn’t go to Mars to find a pristine frontier, or at least the idea of one—the concept of wild, untouched land is a deeply embedded part of the American mythos. It's not "fantasy" to have solar power powering much of our world. Mars doesn't make any sense, when we've got the moon just sitting there. All Rights Reserved. I'm sure the people left will want to survive, but if myself and the Earth are wiped out I don't really care that there are 200 people on Mars to carry on our DNA. Someone might get hurt. Who knew? This is the difference between trying to explore the new world, from Europe, with 5 people, paddles and a canoe; or a fleet of diesel powered amphibious vessels holding thousands of tons of cargo, and hundreds/thousands of expeditionary personnel. It’ll Be Fun They Said…. Water, for example, which is kinda "must have" for any permanent settlement. 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